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| 00:01 | okay so we've seen um the emails uh sev is suggesting uh a one-page document to discuss for different solutions um i just got an email from renault saying okay maybe maybe let's not do some brainstorming this evening if he turns up then i don't mind um as you know i host these meetings but it's not my meeting it's everybody's meeting what i have done is you can see i've done what i could do before we get started to put things on the list here so service discussion paper uh john nissen wants to talk about as |
| 00:42 | you've seen if you look at his email it's very urgent that something happens to call the arctic um then uh bhaskar who it's a ridiculous time of one o'clock in the morning or something or two o'clock for him um and if ants and anton joins us then you know can someone do something if you saw my reply i'm i could do so much um i just begun putting something in a spreadsheet a good google doc sheet with links so i can make that available um and do it ongoingly with new links so eduardo has this question here we've |
| 01:23 | just been talking about anything else to go on the agenda for anybody what's happening at cop26 perhaps yep okay anything else at all right well let's get going with that then uh so is everyone happy with this uh ordering do you can you be with us for the whole um time john i think it is important that we discuss i'm sorry i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah okay then if you wanted an update of what's going on in cambridge then i'm happy to do that but that's low priority well i'd like to hear that |
| 02:24 | yep yeah absolutely hi hugh good to see you so let's let's have that as well i was thinking that as well uh cambridge came bridge update okay or something like that right then so seth has can we get an update of what barnaby joyce is doing barnaby joyce do you mean the kitchen sink everything else as well no that's all right it's just that i'm just a bit worried that that australia is about to completely blotted book at cop26 but never mind not the cricket then no not rugby oh no probably the answer is yes although that |
| 03:13 | we have now committed to uh zero in 2050 but nothing about 2030. there you go anyway let's move on move on there's been a breakthrough for the nationals yeah oh well a black male rather than breakthrough yeah that's like that's right i hope you know what you're talking about because i don't clive could you put up the up the uh single page document i don't want to really yeah yeah yeah that's it that's it there black screen i got it now okay so if people can challenge assumptions |
| 03:53 | suggest additional bits all that sort of stuff i don't think we can see all of it no no no that's what i was saying let me know and i can scroll it up are you meant to be reading this that's the idea but everybody was it was just a pregnant pause oh well i don't know are you in a position to sort of summarize the uh quite late in the evening okay let me i'll have a go then uh so the outlook for cop26 and beyond is bleak this is seb's view china's xi jinping is not attending the us government is stalemated the eu is |
| 04:40 | infighting few governments appear about to lift their net zero game substantially virtually none of workable plans to achieve the necessary rapid you know emissions reductions most climate r d funding is being directed to unworkable or unscalable solutions like dax and so forth fossil fuels are still being heavily subsidized most research is being focused on terrestrial solutions rather than marine ones other cooling myth methods get minimal attention green washing talk fests flourish renewables energy storage and |
| 05:07 | whatever's not growing it's growing too slowly um what is it prospective technology okay you get the idea yeah and then down here and decision makers prevarica then many mooted climate and ocean solutions have what appear to be major flaws for a station that expected the adaptation space based this that and the other i think it's not so bad on nuclear but what is that nuclear clear food and too slow so smrs have considerable yeah i mean uh so i mean this i've been i never know whether to put throw this in the stable salt |
| 05:46 | reactor which is a british company with maltex they have worked out how to well all molten salt reactors it's the you can have liquid fuel so you remove the main hazard of highly radioactive volatile material gases basically under immense pressures which is very expensive um to contain especially at high temperature that's why nuclear has become so expensive and it's not going to solve the problem as it is at the moment it's just too expensive people just use fossil fuels as cheaper but if you can remove that hazard which |
| 06:19 | is what maltex energy did some years ago and they've had 50 million from the canadian government they reckon they'll have a high temperature reactor in in the uk by 2028 they reckon they can that their heat energy is 15 pounds per megawatt hour of energy then i think that's pretty promising for me you know um they got strong patents a lot of interest fusion to me is utterly irrelevant it's just fully media rubbish right let's have a sev and then whoever's coming after that so save first please |
| 06:54 | you mentioned 2028 for one yeah we really need to have if it was to have any real effect we need to have a thousand by by 2030 so it's just too late yeah slow in other words okay fair enough so and all this is about removing it about not emitting as much co2 so yeah we need some uh so that's right so all that's pretty much that you're right to just say that that's not really relevant to the problem at hand so there are some good solutions at hand but are not yet being pursued with sufficient vigor yeah |
| 07:26 | absolutely right okay um renewables and so forth electrification high voltage methane splitting biochar recycling fermentation uh so but i think i don't really see much in the way of cooling here sev a lot of my things are calling uh stephen's thing is calling but i don't see that on the list here well my stuff is all under wind week yeah i've mentioned okay fair enough okay so buoyant flake will make more clouds i suspect ice shield yep okay fair enough all right so some of this stuff does um i think we're missing a key one here |
| 08:09 | at the bottom and that is that restoring natural upwelling will fill that nutrient value chain gap in the tropical and subtropical oceans already approximately 200 million square kilometers and the second is that you actually re-enable nature's uh air conditioning system by um increasing that uh overturning circulation you're actually um getting the heat pump uh you know it's actually cooling off the local atmosphere a bit more that's what i call recording technology yes i i put that under seaweed but |
| 08:46 | you're right there are some things you're not seeing dependent true yeah so it's a combination of restoring natural dwelling and macaroni take 200 million square kilometers 200 million square kilometers of subtropical ocean approximately 100 million in the pacific 50 million in the atlantic and 40 million square kilometers in the indian oceans available or just in subtropical oceans for four seasons a year um capturing carbon with macroalgae at high c to p ratios and local cooling which is demonstrated by |
| 09:22 | commercial deep sea water air conditioning systems today and that's a renewable energy resource yeah okay so is that the main cooling um that you just mentioned there brian that is cooling and it's cooling that works particularly for tropical and subtropical regions right actually it's been applied as far north as canada halifax and i believe sweden all right we're looking for highly scalable cooling mechanisms approximately um 110 terawatts of thermally thermal availability according to the most recent estimates by |
| 10:03 | lockheed martin could be used for ocean thermal energy but could easily be and earlier be used simply for deep sea water cooling for major cities approximately 70 percent of all energy expenditures is for cooling in tropical cities all right so deep put in deep water cooling yes okay and so i'm gonna try and i'm gonna um embolden the uh things that also this is sean i've got a quick question uh just about what do we mean by cooling uh are you looking at climate cooling here clive rather than uh well i am yes yeah yeah exactly and |
| 10:47 | and then i'm just not um brian could you just expand a little because i'm not sure i think we might just be um maybe slightly different interpretations of what we mean by coolio could be wrong this sounds like city it's gone yeah there's there's an indirect mechanism and that is where we're actually uh you know completing the heat exchange by uh restoring natural upwelling there is a cooling effect in surface areas but keep in mind that the source of that cooling is ultimately coming from the polar regions |
| 11:15 | and that cooling is determined by the antarctic bottom water formation and the labrador current deep north atlantic deep water formation and there the opportunity is to complete that value chain by ensuring winter time infrared radiation into space as we've discussed using a variety of techniques including the uh ice volcanoes [Music] yeah i'm sorry ryan what i meant was the uh the restoring natural upwelling that particularly on the cooling aspect yeah so restoring natural upwelling does two things it it fills a nutrient value |
| 11:51 | chain gap but secondly it actually cools off the mixed layer of the ocean it deprives hurricane of theirs of their stored thermal energy fuel and um providing storm resilience and it's effectively providing cooler surface waters for cooler local cities regions island nations and small island developing okay if you do it at scale understood understood brian okay right so and how does it restoring natural upwelling how does it how does the cooling work brian well the deep water is cool and what we do is we ensure by restoring natural |
| 12:27 | upwelling we're effectively um bringing that water near to the surface completing that that cycle and what it actually does is increases the um the gradient of cool cool water into the region yeah so if i just put it very crudely lifts up cooler water from like like that clive you want to highlight cetamizer and fuse top because they also cool cool things i agree but what's what's the mechanism for restoring the natural upwelling ah we use marine solar in the tropics we use wave energy and middle latitudes and |
| 13:00 | we use wind energy at high latitudes to restore the let's call it a marine permaculturized volcano something like that right so uses wind energy uh was that waves renewables and marine solar yeah local endogenous energy is sufficient and we've demonstrated approaches that'll scale up to a million cubic meters of sea water per day so just just being clear it may not be uh restoring natural upwelling am i right brian but it is the it is an upwelling effect that we are trying to create with this mechanism well it is |
| 13:34 | upwelling but to get in order to have the social license we need people to recognize that i'm with you there all right okay that's the framing okay yeah uh i got it so are there any uh sort of objections to any of my my statements anything we've added a few things but do people generally think that's a reasonable summary of the situation can i ask a question which you might know the answer to um the sort of stuff that russ george did with for his ocean fertilization stuff was his was the stuff that he put in was |
| 14:27 | that at all buoyant or was it not no no it was totally soluble in fact it was it was negatively buoyant and so you know the the ferrous iron would turn to ferric iron fast in the tropics and slowly in high latitudes but as soon as it's ferric iron it starts sinking out of the mixed layer and is totally soluble is that what you said said yeah it's soluble and it sinks it's it's soluble as ferrous iron and then it converts to ferric and particulates it's highly insoluble aspheric iron and it sinks pretty |
| 15:03 | actively given its density yeah in fairness to russ he was trying to use very very small particles and he was obtaining it from paint manufacturers uh and the the theory there was that it was to sink very slowly through the water column but goodness right no and i think i that is fair fair and furthermore i the solubility of ferrous iron is much better and also its bioavailability it's just the limited lifetime of the ferris state that was the limitation [Music] it would oxidize then to be just sort of uh iron oxide and then sink is that what |
| 15:44 | you're saying brian yeah it as soon as it goes to ferric iron articulate it's insoluble it it condenses out and then it starts sinking as iron oxide particles yeah i think chris i think chris vivian um he's on holiday this uh this time uh last time he said it was in such high concentration that it would have it wouldn't the um the local the phytoplankton wouldn't have been able to utilize that much and so most of it would have just sunk which is what you've done it depends on how fast the ship was |
| 16:17 | going i think of the haida guy experiment um in the north pacific uh they spent some time distributing it i think the patch could have been close to ten thousand square kilometers i wouldn't be surprised okay pretty big i mean it's amazingly on all the summon production for many years afterwards well it was yes it is cyclical and it was a perfect storm and i believe the salmon uh we were buying salmon at four dollars a pound in california for two years afterwards through walmart because the production |
| 16:50 | was so high it exceeded the production in 1899 of salmon for that that year wow that was quite quite an impulse response food spikes in production which was due to the two-year evolution period of the of the gestation period yeah and this went on i think for four or five seasons they had an enormous amount wow you've been really upset all the other people who hadn't got any success at all do you genuinely put that down to that experiment or could there be other effects well there are coincidences but this one |
| 17:30 | was several standard deviations above the norm so um you know there there was an earlier uh volcano in alaska that um that was several years prior so it really didn't interfere with this experiment but the timing was perfect and the fact that they've exceeded the entire production of a century you know of salmon for through the 1900s so you have to go back to 1899 to see a comparable yield of salmon from british columbia all the way up to alaska and he was arrested and held at gunpoint wasn't he on his show held on the floor |
| 18:06 | of his ship and it seemed to me because um that he was going to be able to claim huge amounts of carbon credit or something which the canadian government didn't want to pay some environmental organizations in canada convinced the royal mounties to seize the assets of the haida guy salmon restoration company and destroy the water samples before they could be analyzed just and therefore you know destroying the data that would have been available from the crews if they've been allowed to actually complete the sample analysis |
| 18:38 | they also seized and destroyed the documents that showed that he got official permission [Music] so we need to be careful about our own you know proposed interventions because they might go the same way yeah you know i think it's pretty clear at least as far as the london protocol that we need you know if we're if we're operating under the london protocol we just need to make sure that we are doing mariculture and that's 51 and any kind of carbon export is a minority of our activities in terms of revenue or otherwise |
| 19:15 | yeah i've been looking forward sorry sorry let's let's have you so what was that what would be 51 i didn't catch that uh well my interpretation of annex 4 of the london protocol um states thou shalt not uh put matter into the ocean with the primary purpose of stimulating the ocean implication fixing carbon and sinking it however mariculture is exempted as a justifiable primary activity and so marine permaculture is a form of americulture and if we're doing at least 51 percent uh mariculture and less than 49 |
| 19:58 | you know carbon analysis or revenues then we're arguably primary our primary purpose is mariculture okay all right thank you all right who else was there i missed it i don't even want to speak is it brewing was it well but i was going to say so talk a bit about another way to do iron let's just let the other people that wanted to speak and then we'll come to you steven all right so go for it bro well i was just going to say but say but i think titling your flake solution as marine permaculture is a very sensible |
| 20:37 | way of taking that narrative forward yeah i've always been a big permaculture fan anyway but i think that that's going to help great okay i said you're just giving them their ordinary food plus a bit of vitamins yeah right okay and was someone else trying to speak who else yeah that's is ron here uh sorry to interrupt this but i i'm i'm come i i've missed quite a few meetings so i've just is this are you are you making a list of the methods that is somehow available uh publicly or because i'm i'm working on some things |
| 21:21 | related to this and i just want to know you know is it publicly publicly available uh seth i'm very happy for it be publicly available but i wanted to run it through this group to make sure i hadn't made any serious submissions or or errors okay excellent and and so so you're you're compiling this i i've written it and it's now available to anyone okay it can be made available to anyone yeah okay okay that that's that's good to know and is there a reason why i mean i didn't hear anything on on uh |
| 22:00 | stratospheric uh you know or on uh on the on those kind of methods on the if you did you i did come here i missed it then i missed it scroll up a bit but we're just about to hear from john nissen who i don't think okay he thinks it's it's too late you know we need to do something so thank you very much ron i mean we began by saying you know we have all these all these nice discussions but where does it go so somebody that wants to catalogue it and make it publicly available is very welcome excellent that's great that you want to |
| 22:40 | do that ron so so well i yeah i'm very happy is doing that but i'm i may i if if it's okay with everyone i might i don't know it's not i'm not going to publish it otherwise so if you if you want to publish it feel free okay okay i'll i'll get i'll get in touch with you if i yeah thank you sir yeah great we don't want to keep it a secret yeah okay was there anyone else trying to speak for all right moving the conversation on a bit or are we done sev are you do you yeah that's fine |
| 23:16 | people are reasonably happy with the document yeah yeah subject to these one or two things being added i mean i i mean if you're happy to put something in about stable salt reactors there's lots of videos explaining that you know what dollar per watt capital cost i wanted to keep it on one page yeah so i had to condense things greatly yeah okay all right i'm not sure i'm not sure i agree that as stratospheric aerosols have unacceptable risks or cost i think that that the costs are probably quite low and but the |
| 23:51 | perception is that the risks are unacceptable yeah i i did i did say this is actually unacceptable is a is a moot point yeah that's why i said it appeared to have appear people think it too well so that so then if you scroll up a bit that that um uh you know what appear to be major flaws well i mean just because something might appear to have a major flaw doesn't mean we should reject it yes we should still certainly we should research it and model it and then then try and find out what the actuality is likely to be so in that |
| 24:36 | paragraph i i would have said that fusion energy um and uh stratospheric aerosols are in completely different um ballparks because stratospheric aerosols i think imagine a world where people could be persuaded that it was acceptable then we could probably go ahead with some experiments i don't think we could go ahead with fusion energy experiments even if we persuaded people that it was acceptable but they are doing it they're trying to get it not not to cause it not at a scale to make a difference in the next five years |
| 25:18 | if we wanted to go ahead in the next five years and do some stratospheric aerosol stuff we probably could if we wanted to do fusion energy at scale we probably couldn't well they're doing experiments with fusion energy all the time they're wasting billions at a scale to provide energy to the planet i suspect that's not five years away absolutely not it's yeah okay um one thing uh i think we might be missing efforts to um re-freeze uh arctic sea ice and that's would seem to be a an important |
| 25:51 | cooling mechanism we've got ice shields here brian yeah yeah is that the same thing what what is the ice shield that's nice volcanoes very good thank you yeah yeah sean you've got your hand up you're being very polite i have so um wanted to just um make two points uh one is just i guess it's i don't want to be a parent i really don't um but the language of when you see something appear to have i loved what seb said in other words in this environment we actually i think we all know that we're not |
| 26:31 | saying well it appeared that these are fundamentally a flawed but if that's read by somebody else and somebody's making this statement which is a bit what really what hugh said you know something appears to have unacceptable risks i think what hugh was driving at was um there are public perception issues at stake and i really think that we should clarify that being the issue or or even if it is even public perception issues perception issues because quite a lot of the uh work that's been done and documented |
| 27:02 | it's unclear whether it's the wider public that have got concerns anyway clive so i do think it's perception issues by certain groups of stakeholders that's the first thing and the second thing was uh does marine canal brightening appear here or is that under is that in a generic term of uh soda radiation management five that's incentivizers i beg your pardon okay okay yeah uh it wouldn't have to be seattle that's that's one that could be stephen's stuff too yeah so it'd be quite good i had to really |
| 27:34 | condense it i couldn't couldn't put in all the the variance in that yeah yeah could could we kind of order this uh according to various things so some are to do with energy production somewhat to do with co2 removal somewhat to do with meat methane suppression or removal uh and and um you know could be good to having so much stuff under the wind wix and it would be nice to have to have you're going to go over a page then john i couldn't do it otherwise i think though the problem is that i don't think many people reading this |
| 28:20 | would know what wind wicks means no yeah what's can i just ask what's the purp what would be the purpose of this you know once we all debated all this uh sev where's it going now well i've never before seen a uh a full list of all the things that can be done a single page presentation of what's what's wrong what's what's maybe useful what we should try and do okay okay so this is a first stab at that then yeah so that this first uh paragraph is you know says it all um what's wrong this is what they're trying to do and |
| 29:04 | it's not going and those those are things which i think are uh likely to be experiments which won't won't scale up well yeah just one man's opinion and then here are things which i think are really prospective and really should be pushed far more than what's above it okay yeah i'm i'm i'm having i'm sort of thinking well it'd be very difficult to if you're going to make one page so you've got to think who's your audience is this politicians is it lame man in the street or is it other engineers |
| 29:41 | you know one page you can't you can't describe all this stuff so you've got this is a this is for us you know and which we've just done you know sea atomizer oh yes that's marine cloud brightening but it's it's in its one page form right now it's useful to us but i don't i don't think this would be terribly useful as a public document but maybe you weren't intending it as that in any way i was hoping that maybe some of the attendees at cop26 might might like this thickness of it |
| 30:10 | even if they didn't understand the the windwick stuff okay yeah i mean they might they might say hey this looks promising give us more you know you've but we don't have no idea what this stuff is but um yeah all of a sudden we're interested so tell us more fair enough so it might be sorry i wasn't trying to no no no just trying to prod to get them to see what your thought its purpose was okay um so herb you've got your hand up yeah i just uh i've become a big fan uh at least tentatively of um |
| 30:45 | of uh olivine and um basically accelerated mineralization it seems to me having a great potential uh i don't know if that's something you guys have discussed here or not um but i would suggest putting it on the on the good solutions at hand uh list i'm not sure whether it scales well enough the amount of olivine you have to to grind up and then put on beaches all you can't set it out to sea it's it's it's it's one of those things which really doesn't scale up well yes it's |
| 31:19 | useful yes it works but it doesn't scale to global scale well i don't know at least the folks at project vesta say that based on their calculations one percent of the world's uh beaches could uh basically uh bring down um you know a whole year's worth of uh excess co2 i mean they're doing the research now they're they're very rare in analyzing it you know they don't have final conclusions but that's their at least uh early conclusions yeah okay okay the guys at project vesta also told me i |
| 31:57 | mean uh that in terms of what serbs says it's not that it doesn't work it's about how much olivine you've got to shift for every ton of carbon dioxide if you're going to sequester and it's a one-to-one ratio unfortunately right so every time carbon dioxide whereas there are other scale so you've got a materials handling problem that's really quite considerable rather than some of the so it's not that you can't do it it's just that when you go and look at the different challenges |
| 32:28 | associated with the different methods it's a massive materials handling problem it sounds to me as if it's exactly the same as the amount of moving coal if you said it's one to one we know how to move large amounts of coal now we just put olivine instead of coal in the trucks well it's this is to do with the benefits that you get there are other mechanisms stupid as you know right um i was hoping to get something from friends but i can't see friends there who's on mute brian i thought i might even be more |
| 33:02 | than one one to one but um i am cognizant i've got a couple other meetings starting at the top of the hour and there were agenda items four and five that we might want to touch on before before yeah i mean things that there's other things that i'd put on here as well so i think everyone would have a slightly different list but nice idea thank you sev right just one comment though before we leave yeah maybe we should be clear on separating the processes from the actual mechanisms and the solutions i mean |
| 33:36 | i mean marine cloud brightening is a is a process uh ironside aerosol we probably should make a heading of that there's a number of ways of dispersing eyesight aerosols as we know so yeah uh there's the solutions in this process is that yeah c devices synthemizers spread uh ironside aerosols yeah absolutely it's a first step yeah yeah so it's a it's a first step and um it's a very good start so thank you very much yeah right good stuff all right so you've got to go at the top of the hour |
| 34:08 | brian yes so okay so i've got 25 minutes well um so can you spend just spend a few minutes uh answering this question so we could make because i think that'll be quite short that's fine there are three uh major basins of course that are inoxic and they include the uh black sea the santa barbara channel and the karayako sea basin the cariaco basin is just north of venezuela and um is has been a naturally anoxic for thousands of years and so the opportunity is to actually uh grow macro algae in substantial |
| 34:51 | quantities in the basin and in fact in the western caribbean sea that could exceed a gigaton of carbon and that carbon we could actually uh extract valuable um nutrients from that in terms of seaweed foliar biostimulants and possibly high value proteins and then still sink a 50 to 80 percent of the carbon into the um middle and deep sea in the cariaco basin where it would remain unoxidized for uh millennia quite likely based on the the uh historical evidence in the black sea okay so how does that sound to you eduardo would that be acceptable to your |
| 35:38 | friend that uh manages that well i i can't judge that uh what would be nice if you can send me an email with uh this information okay yes i think it's best done as any i'll send you background info and then we can talk about applications that would provide job security food security ecosystem regeneration and carbon export great i think there's been that uh eduardo tried to contact you before brian and he didn't reply so can i suggest you both yeah the best thing is to i've got a whatsapp number and a um |
| 36:29 | sms text messaging so so if you just exchange on chat right then uh then then uh make sure you connect i'll send an email now and that'll be a good way to follow up okay great thank you very much okay all right so let's um hear from john please john listen okay um i i've focused on the what people seem to be thinking is the main problem with climate change which is the uh extraordinary growth in uh extreme weather events and uh on the growth in the extremity so that they're not only more extreme weather events but they're more |
| 37:17 | extreme uh the the um if you look at what's happening uh it it seems that the arctic amplification is implement implicated uh in this growth in extreme weather events uh that's a theory promoted by jennifer francis uh but uh i i didn't realize that it was current among the the climate uh gurus but michael mann came out with it the other day and he said that it's clear that whether extreme weather events are caused by arctic amplification and disruption of jet stream behavior um now his answer uh you know what to do he |
| 38:19 | said though reduce emissions right so what do you want uh this from this group um john what are you uh i was kind of particularly interested in getting the support uh well probably seeing whether they the cambridge people here sean and other cambridge people uh thought that this was a valid argument in which case they would be um uh promoting uh methods of cooling the arctic i think cambridge climate repair very much interested in that so david king talks about that sean you've got you've got to go soon you said um |
| 39:06 | alas um do you have an answer for john preliminary answer other than to say that you know emissions reduction is absolutely necessary but not sufficient so you know everything everyone knows that that's our uh critical view and therefore we need to do a lot more than that greenhouse gas removal and uh is extremely likely that we're going to need to do something beyond that so the radiation management because it's all going to take too long because we're moving too slowly so yeah it's basically a speed issue we |
| 39:38 | can we can do things to to mend that mend the climate on the long style using co2 removal and methane suppression and things like that but in the short we call it a short-term problem it's a climate emergency it's quite unprecedented for these extremes of uh weather to be growing like this and people are really worried about the consequences and escalating costs and we're talking about trillions of dollars uh amounting to billions of dollars soon yeah i made a presentation to engineers institutional engineers last tuesday um |
| 40:25 | john um telling them about marine cloud brightening and iron sold aerosol and how you know clouds present a great opportunity for cooling because they already reflect a lot of sunlight away three people turned up um you know and i haven't heard back any more from them since then i i think something's happening but they're you know like everyone else they're very busy um we have to we're we're pretty much in agreement with you that it's getting bit hairy now um we just don't know if if they're |
| 40:56 | right right in the middle of a tipping point and it might be very difficult to recover next year or the year after we just we just don't know um but we have to find a way to uh you know get the message out there because there's no array of hope i know you've watched channel 4 news this evening but jon snow was there showing the marine cloud brightening efforts over the great barrier reef on the national news national television so the acceptability of um artificial cloud cooling is beginning to get out there |
| 41:31 | and i think it's going to make it much easier to start putting the message out as that happens the dialogue in the narrative is really critical absolutely the unfortunate thing about the australian thing is that they're using a very wide spread of aerosol and the majority of it is in the size range which the norwegians say work in the wrong direction they've got a big big chunk of it in the aitkin mode and i think there is a grave danger that they'll be discrediting the the technology one indicating thing about |
| 42:06 | the uh the the aerosol they're making is that it goes upwards and this means that there must be an awful lot of heat needed to do the the pumping of it um the the aerosol if you make an efficient aerosol generator it should cool the air around it so that it uh evaporates and you the cooling brings it right down to the surface of the sea until it's gained heat from the the the hotter uh uh see below so that there's a there's a um a big worry i have about what they're doing well i think they're only trying to measure |
| 42:45 | um the surface water cooling that may be achieved as opposed to the overall cooling effect the idea is you cool the water by blocking off the sun coming in yeah the initial evaporation is tiny amount of cooling but it makes the air fall down dragging the aerosol with it the the amount of energy from from the cooling from the evaporation of the of the water is ridiculously small compared with the cooling you're going to get i mean hundreds of millions of times more from them blocking off the clouds john mcdonald are you there are you in |
| 43:22 | touch with daniel harrison yeah i have been actually climbing but i spoke to him recently i mean he he concedes that what they're doing is a long way off uh being commercialized they're still exploring different different spraying technologies and you know he does concede you're gonna have the right atmospheric conditions obviously i mean you're gonna have conditions for marine clouds to form i mean that's not it's not always the case so would he be hooking up with stephen do you think if he could come to one of these i've |
| 43:52 | told daniel about this the key paper is by altascar and christensen where they sprayed aerosol and accumulation mode and course mode and it was only the accumulation mode of aerosol that actually did the cooling the others warmed and the eight kid mode was warming a tremendous amount uh and the reason they think i think that's just it was because the very large number of particles if you're spraying this amount of water in the acrylic are not able to properly nucleate but they can take out quite a lot of water so you're actually |
| 44:31 | clearing the clouds by removing water vapor into tiny tiny packets and this is one of the reasons that i suggested we might be able to use the same method for clearing clouds in the arctic if we could make small enough aching mode aerosol just in the winter months in the arctic we could remove the cloud that's blocking a lot going out getting radiation but uh daniel harrison doesn't want to root understand the the ultrascar christians and stuff odd i don't understand um okay um let's people have got their |
| 45:08 | hands up uh i think herb's been there for a while no that was from before okay uh hugh yeah just i think the the number one thing that has just been said is that this barrier reef exercise has for whatever reason got a social license to perceive and we ought to be extremely supportive of it yeah for that reason alone and as long as that social license exists and is maintained that perhaps gives other experiments albeit with different science um a social alliance license by uh by what's the word by by comparison by |
| 45:58 | proxy so i think we ought not to to be seen to be shooting it down because the science isn't quite right we ought to be saying hey this is fantastic and then let's get the science sharpened up on the basis of the experiments that not just them but we're all doing because we're allowed to do it it'd be great if there could be some sort of competition to see who can do it the best well that's what we're doing we're essentially saying okay let's get going um if they can do it so can we now let's |
| 46:46 | let's see who can do it the best great okay all right let's hope it gets a forum at cop26 it is a great working example i mean it's got it's been very well funded and he's rolling on to the next stage this year so it's it's it's a great case study and australia really should be 100 behind it uh uh in international forums as well so yeah i agree i agree we need to encourage it for sure absolutely um okay let's get it's especially appropriate if australia doesn't turn up at top 26. no they're |
| 47:25 | turning up oh they are there they're turning up now okay they're turning up with their new um their new methodologies for making sure that coal is still dominant right do we know anybody who's going to cop 26 that we can kind of uh hand information to the parcel i'm going there i'll be there yeah david king's going sean's going i'll be there sean's going yeah uh you're going to be why some our methane people are going to be there two of them uh but they're they're they'll be |
| 48:07 | plugging them you know the methane um iron salt aerosol methane depletion and uh you know methane regulations rather than mcb they're very focused on that and they don't like to call it geoengineering i got ticked off for saying that that professor michael mann accepts geoengineering now that was a no-no i shouldn't have done that last night john john lately so um if it's getting it's getting on so i'd like i'd love actually to hear from uh from hugh because i think uh because sean's got to go he's gone already um |
| 48:47 | what sort of update we especially you know and michael's mcb um well let me let me just say that we've got um we've got five um uh engineering project students uh currently working now that the university term has started it started on the at the beginning of october they've been uh working on so two of them are working on um uh trying to create droplets by various techniques and measure those droplets um by we're working at perhaps trying to make a silicon-based doppler generator based on steven's |
| 49:37 | 2014 um i chemi paper we're looking at uh getting off the shelf he atomizes um servers pointed us in the right direction for uh let's just generate droplets measure stuff let's get into the business of trying to categorize what we can do how much power is required what the uh what the the size distribution is of these droplets um do it um so that's two of the projects a third project is on um uh the the the ice volcano stuff so just today the the student who you might have met katie carter yep she's uh she's going to be going into a |
| 50:30 | local uh college freezer room drop ripping salt water into onto onto aluminium plates to try and create um sea salt water ice volcanoes early stages but she's quite excited about all that another project we've got is on creating a device to go underneath the arctic sea ice to measure the um concentrations of uh various um elements and algae in the in the band directly underneath them where the melt water comes down so you get melt water coming down from the ice it then it sort of hugs the ice and goes and directly underneath the ice |
| 51:28 | is this very poorly understood um sort of mixed chemical mixture of microorganisms and salts and other stuff trying to understand what's happening there um so with the device to measure that kind of thing um then we've got a couple of phd students um william um mcfarland smith and elizabeth beltas william is doing modeling of marine cloud brightening and elizabeth is doing modeling of of um marine uh biomass regeneration otherwise known as uh ocean iron fertilization um we've got to keep changing these names |
| 52:13 | otherwise people get to get a bit bored we want to call it oifa oifer uh ocean iron fertilization by aerosol yeah it could be but that would be oceanized iron fertilization by aerosol but not by air assault but it's not about that but generically it's about restoring uh marine biomass um so um anyway so that's um what have i forgotten sean's gone he would have reminded me of forgotten other things but broadly speaking um we've got quite a lot of um energy uh um you know getting these these sort of young people excited about |
| 52:56 | this stuff is very um is very is exhilarating the idea is to use uh the cathodic protection for big marine steel structures the wrong way around so you've got accelerated corrosion did i send you that paper yes you did okay there's only one thing we can do at a time stephen yeah just as long as you have it yeah i'm not wasn't sure whether it happened or not do do you have a sort of a schedule on these uh this work um hugh like so the students the students will be finishing their projects in april um maple to the |
| 53:45 | may time um and you know just the way of it with students some of the projects will be extremely uh you know some students do a lot and get a lot done and and make a lot of progress and others less less so okay um but um we will we will know over the next few weeks because just how it's all going hopefully by beginning of january after they've um collected their thoughts over the christmas vacation right i i hope we'll have a good feel for what's happening they're great what they have to do at the same time |
| 54:30 | again how much other work do they have to do at the same time yeah well they've got they've got they've got to do eight examined modules at the same time oh god yeah how about that but that came with students none of this sort of provincial universities hey just to say i did my engineering degree at melbourne uni and i find myself often thinking that the engineering science that i got at melbourne is that was at least as good if not better as what we're giving i think that around the world there are some |
| 55:09 | fantastic universities and there's there's this kind of myth i think that the the oxford and cambridge experience educationally is is better i think what oxford and cambridge offer is a lot of pretty good networking it's got the brand as well it's got the brand and i'm not i'm not i i think that in terms of understanding the engineering science that can be done anyway right few months ago cambridge and i thought the teaching was not good i can remember one time when someone gave the same lecture twice |
| 55:50 | running and nobody noticed it wasn't me by any chance it was in chris philography at the time helix was just coming about we weren't sort of thinking about it all generalizations are false right let's keep it moving so when you i just yeah just on the uh the droplet uh experiments a few minutes a few months ago you were suggesting and not doing a number of replicated uh tests around the world at different universities yeah is that something you're still gonna do because i've been talking to deacon i've |
| 56:28 | got barry i mean is that something you want to do in parallel or well that's something you've had so so thanks for reminding me of that so what i think we ought to do is once we've got our experiment kind of uh defined and yeah and we're doing it um then exactly we ought to we have to get the students talking together as well yeah that'd be good okay a pond fogger it makes two and a half micron drops yes well we could do pond foggers we can do we can look yes pawn fogger excellent along with everything else that uses yes |
| 57:20 | you don't seem to think you need a pawn fogger then hugh yeah i've got pawn under this okay here let me switch it up can i just can i ask more generally hugh about you're going to with um you know sean to uh you know cop what's what's the sort of cambridge climate repair i mean it sounds like you know going to repair the climate but how's how's it going about that you know and you've got a bit of money i don't i don't don't know where yeah so what what's the sort of plan |
| 57:52 | so the um uh there's two two strands um there is this thing that uh dave king has set up which is this um ccag climate change advisory group which is um kind of uh um following the model that's been used for the advisory group for covet um and um that is gaining quite a lot of traction and quite a lot of momentum and that will be there they're putting on events in glasgow uh basically to draw attention to the fact that um we've got to go beyond the cop process because the cop process is looking at at the |
| 58:38 | at the very the minutiae eye of the documents that are going to form the basis of agreements that governments are then going to act upon um and it's a long long long way away from actual action things can do next week um so between uh ccag and the center for climate repair we're having an event uh in the around the periphery of cop where we will be talking about very particularly about things that we can do so can you mute yourself please uh edwardo yeah go on keep going uh yeah yeah no that's so so we're there trying to raise awareness |
| 59:28 | of the things that need to be talked about a bit like as sev was saying right at the beginning the things that we need to talk about but not on the cop 26 agenda they're just not there yet arguing over article 6 as to how we should count and not count uh and not double count and and not double negatively done yeah okay um okay it's just annoying so that's one strand um as climate change advisory group ccag what's the other strand then well so the others so our center for climate repair um is again it's attracting attention apart |
| 1:00:13 | from anything else this name i think was quite enlightened from david king i mean climate repair what the hell is this it's a better name than geo engineering geoengineering sounds like you know piling up soil next to a you know a reservoir or something no so um uh people are asking the question no so what is it you've got in mind and i think um save you that people are people are asking and we're able to say look there's a whole raft of things we ought to be researching and that we ought to be allowed to do |
| 1:00:51 | the research yeah excellent yep that's that's music to all of our areas i'm sure well we'll just see how it goes i mean it's only it's it's a week away now and um you know people we talk to are no longer looking at geo engineering even if you call it that they're no longer looking at geoengineering as being this evil thing that must be avoided at all costs i think that we've passed that threshold now hurrah well i think we have some people are just saying okay you know we've we've |
| 1:01:29 | all all options are on the table so when you say people are saying that is it what kind of do you mind saying what kind of people i i even the even the the protest groups that used to turn up to our meetings and say oh you know chemtrailers and all this they've stopped turning up they're not turning up anymore i'm not that they don't have things to say but i think that the the wind has been taken out of out of protesters sales by the forest fires in california and australia and 50 degree temperatures in |
| 1:02:10 | in california and and floods in in yeah northern germany and yeah you know so great yeah and so the people who are saying hey what what's what are you what are you doing what are the all these things are this are these funders yeah funders i you know we're not getting it's very hard to get money for research from government sources because the general view i think is that if if government money goes into geo engineering for whatever better word then almost by implication says oh we the government have given up |
| 1:02:54 | on on doing the right thing which is to reduce emission which is of course his is lodge is not a logically coherent argument but that's the perception but then um philanthropic funders are saying well i could give money to people who are building bigger and better wind turbines i could give money to people who know building bigger and better solar farms or bigger and better nuclear power stations but hold on a second none of this is is having the desired effect fast enough and they're they're willing to give |
| 1:03:36 | money to likes of centerpiece climate repair okay well if if you get um and so presumably you're hoping to meet more people like this at glasgow and if you if you do get let's say somebody comes along and says you know here's a billion can you can you repair the climate please what you mean you're not going to just find more students are you right so this is this is this is the the the issue we've got they they won't just can you please do this stuff what they will say is um well here's a hundred thousand |
| 1:04:12 | um show us what you can do now you can't do much with a hundred thousand and then you then might persuade them to give you two million or whatever it might be but we haven't got the social license to go out and do experiments so it's kind of chicken egg what we've got to do is to have the experiments that cost a billion for us to go out and do them but we are not yet in a position to say all right uh in six months time we'll spend your money because it's going to take quite a while given that no research to speak of has |
| 1:04:56 | been done for the last however yeah decades involving large-scale outdoor experiments um it's quite hard to just say okay fantastic give us your money we'll spend it next week okay so there's some interest but um it might be difficult to ask for for lots of money is what you're saying because this license isn't there so this is the brian wants to speak so we'll let brian speaking about it yeah great yeah we do have a couple of um perhaps best practice examples that we are getting a social license in that |
| 1:05:32 | we have thousands of um contributors in australia and hundreds of contributors in the united states for marine permaculture and by focusing on regenerating ecosystems and food security and the carbon export as a third part we're getting traction furthermore there's a chance to extend this even to restoring arctic sea ice ecosystems for example i think by leading with ecosystem and the food security that we know we're going to need in a climate disrupted world that's a great you know social licenses |
| 1:06:05 | there we're actually fundraising and today we have you know 100 square meter platform deployed in the outdoors in 350 meters of water um you know in the philippines and we have permits to do a half a dozen cities so we go to the right place in the philippines for example and we've gotten permits in american samoa we're getting permits in australia so the right places and right times i think it is here today and i would encourage us to use these examples as ways to extend to the arctic sea ice and i think there's a |
| 1:06:40 | compelling uh social acceptance right now for doing that absolutely right and and of all of the things that yeah that's that's low-hanging fruit and i agree with you entirely um and we should um absolutely be drawing drawing on drawing support for these things [Music] oh my pleasure and i'm happy to help let me know how we can scale it i mean you're in touch already aren't you um brian privately with uh sean i believe yeah i mean one of the things that we ought to do is um maybe you know we ought to join forces a bit |
| 1:07:23 | on all this sort of stuff because there are lots of great ideas and yeah i'll i'll be in touch brian i think it's great excellent happy to do that we will cover the tropics and happy to have you cover the arctic let's divvy up the planet excellence sounds good okay all right well thank you very much for that sir hugh that was very enlightening um i was going to say that um uh methane action has been uh formed in the us um i think i've just mentioned this and daphne weisham is a bit has been in this you know ngo sort |
| 1:08:09 | of space for one of the better world for decades she seems to know them all the the you know the heads of greenpeace and friends of the earth um and there's a group called climate action network which is an umbrella um of many um ngos and she's gradually bringing them on board and they're getting uh lots of op-eds so she's got a they use a media guy a journalist um called steve kent who's getting a lot of op-eds in that so starting off things like the new yorker and the hill um i think that might have had something |
| 1:08:42 | in the washington post so there's a lot of collaborative they're doing a lot of collaborating and they and they talked about social license some months ago they used that that phrase and this is what they're doing um making the case for you know this methane depletion uh iron salt aerosol so um you could hook up you might want to hook up with them as well possibly very nicely coordinated yeah why have we have been in touch with them oh you have very good yeah they're excited being very helpful |
| 1:09:10 | yeah good good uh doug you've got your hand up yeah thanks um with the people that are going 26 raise your hand again i have a question i want to ask you are you 36. 26. i'm probably not happy to go to cup 46 if they're still going by then i i didn't 40 doesn't 46. who's going to cop who's going to cop next week okay so i've i've initiated a conversation with bill mckibben and he's interested to know more about what we're doing so i sent him some information and i'm just wondering if any of you |
| 1:09:45 | know or have spoken with or interacted with bill mckibben in the past and could seek him out but daphne knows him stephanie's met him since she's known him for a long time and she's she's been this guy i have sent him an email i'll have to check let's try and try and find him seek him out and uh you could mention that you know i sent him a package and uh i'm waiting his response but i think he might come around yeah i mean he's come around to the idea of you know depleting methane from the |
| 1:10:21 | atmosphere doug which is also saying we need to wait a decade before we start doing these crazy experiments so i asked him what criteria and how what's at what point do we make that decision whereas next i've asked him to do that in his next editorial or whatever you call it his next vlog yeah i haven't heard back from him we only talked to him yeah we all have that problem don't we yeah okay thanks doug uh john i look just just a follow-up question to doug so perhaps to you i mean do you think you'll be getting involved |
| 1:10:56 | in the debate about whether the planet will keep warming after we reach net zero emissions i mean this is a it's a fundamental question behind the ipc reports and i put it to the uh head of geoscience australia here to see whether there's any geological examples to to back up uh continuing warming uh but it's it's and that they said it's not within their remit but uh do you think that'll be a debate that goes on at cop26 well i don't think i don't think cop 26 in this sort of in inner sanctum of spot |
| 1:11:29 | 26 will be talking about any of those things at all talking about the minutiae of the of the legal documents that that need to be signed in order to uh to ratify the uh the um nationally determined contributions of all the nations and it'll all be they basically disappeared up a huge dark place and which they're not yeah they will they will and it'll be awfully dry and uh but i certainly hope that the discussions on the periphery of cop will talk exactly about these sorts of things um and i think that the discussion |
| 1:12:14 | in particular about the the very uh the very structure of what we mean by net zero um the fact that we can be net zero but we have to have forty percent or more of carbon capture and storage to achieve net zero these technologies don't exist at scale yet um and if we want to make them exist we're not going to do it by building artificial trees we're going to do it by the kinds of things that brian's been talking about um and unless we get those discussions going we're going nowhere we really need to go negative not just |
| 1:13:00 | net zero yeah but you absolutely when does it when does anybody ever talk about that but mostly they've got no idea what they're talking about um can i ask it's just it's just just very interesting that this word net because net as an acronym negative emissions technology zero no wonder people are bloody confused yeah yeah i'm just one of your friends have you got any comments on everything we've been talking about before we move on france no no i'm i'm very interested what is telling us |
| 1:13:45 | um yeah me too yeah i thought you might mention some of our ideas but we've we've we've added those so people know about those um okay uh any other comments before people have raised hands yes i will say that the methane analysis i see on climate action network seems to be missing rice fields as a major emitter and it seems to not be fully addressing the exponential increase in terrestrial and submarine permafrost emission of methane from clathrates so who's not addressing that climate action network uh climate action network |
| 1:14:24 | and um i didn't find methane action specifically but can europe has a letter that sadly misses probably the two most perilous sources of methane that we've identified so far and that is rice fields and permafrost right yeah okay thank you um okay so uh let's go back to the agenda i don't think uh so it's really just talking about these meetings is all that's left um and i've created a spreadsheet um and started filling it in a little bit i've just managed to get three of them in there but i mean and i'm not quite |
| 1:15:09 | sure if this is what bhaskar had in mind um and is anton with us anton i thought anthem was going to be here today i mean what uh i mean he's been saying it's useful to watch these meetings um i find them actually quite fun to watch um afterwards um if i get time um and so and i'm you can see that i've started putting you know a few paragraphs or whatever and it was handy to have something from hugh i mean what's does anybody have time and and incline you know energy to develop something like this i mean i actually |
| 1:15:49 | have a website a noack website that's completely untouched you know virgin website um with a you know uh internet domain that could be used um what do we want to do you know i'll keep on doing what i'm doing but does anybody else want to take it further i do have a key question about these recorded meetings is that how safe is the circulation of this um i suspect they all need an edit of the sweep there may be things that could be taken out of context in them which could be used against us and there |
| 1:16:25 | is a you know a dangerous denial industry out there um are they are these things we're happy to make public uh good question good point um so um maybe not but that's the reason why i've been using them as unlisted um people are willing to speak openly on on that basis so um maybe it's you know we wouldn't know until it all goes terribly wrong and then it's sort of everything's lost possibly so maybe but good not to risk it yeah my feeling is that there may be edits that could be taken out that might go to |
| 1:17:07 | a public post that make very useful content and there's an enormous interest in obtaining good content yeah from the media around these subjects but yeah we've got to be careful with it and we you have created a lot of good potentially good content there right well thank you um yes with everybody's submissions yeah and since uh contributions well um yeah and i quite agree with you actually uh brew there's always going to be somebody that will make a lot of money um and they're looking for this sort of thing |
| 1:17:40 | so um and actually basker is only suggesting having it as a document anyway a document that we share among this the same list um so well but then we had um uh ron earlier just just this evening um saying that um could he you know make public um uh seb's ideas so you know that's that's not people speaking uh that's something in text and i think that's hopefully somewhat safer so okay any other comments are we seeing a a pond fogger in action yeah that's upon fogger well done you it's like a firework |
| 1:18:33 | it looks like me it looks like magnesium burning almost let's just say it's this little thing here yeah and it it just sits in yeah it's a it's a pond fogger yeah if you put it near the edge of the table you'd see the stuff falling down it's a bit it's a bit far from the edge it's got a um it's got to get out of its bowl it will is it scalable it's um it's energy is very high uh it also makes some rare big drops which you can see and uh after about 12 hours if you do it in |
| 1:19:19 | salt water you get salt deposited on the on those crystals so it doesn't last very long but the main the main even if you could get a you know a non-stick crystal uh you see that we're going down now over the edge nice uh you can get a really big one for about 70 because the one that those ones are about 10 quid and they're used for um aquariums and uh plants and uh sort of used for film production as well you know right so forgive me what's the relevance of this to marine cloud brightening even well it's a global site |
| 1:20:10 | it's a what a fine spread yeah if you want to measure the size of that you'd learn a lot about drop management right but there wouldn't they be uh no they wouldn't be mono dispersed and they wouldn't be small enough exactly yeah they're two and a half microns we want to be quite a lot less than oh yeah so they're in the wrong size range but you'll learn i mean if you want to make some spray quickly but to test your drop measuring equipment that's the way to do it okay two and a half microns is is enough |
| 1:20:42 | once in salt water if they evaporate down the submicron that could be a useful size no it's still too big it will it'll go down to about a quarter of stuff you oh that's beautiful very pretty yeah yeah but the the energy requirement is really very high yes it was though it was the very first experiment that i looked at was to to design with us so spray nozzles are really where it should be going i want to leave that option open for anything better but at the moment the jet broadly jet break-up is seems to |
| 1:21:28 | be the most efficient and the most narrow dispersed right which you've sent documents around on it yeah i think already yeah okay well yep very pretty very mesmerizing um i think we've done with our agenda actually i think we've actually finished early today unless there's anything anyone else would like to speak about renault didn't didn't come along i don't think we've seen renault at all and we can't talk about that in five minutes maybe we'll talk about that in a couple |
| 1:22:03 | of weeks so i didn't really hear anybody jumping forward to to catalog these meetings so it sounds so um yeah we'll but we ask us wellington is welcome to do what he wants to do with it in terms of cataloging um if he's got time and or anton um but otherwise what i'm going to do is is going to stay the same fine so with that uh if there's no further comments then i want to have a quick web of the queue queue can you put a thermometer into that it's huge there yeah what is it nice and cold in there or |
| 1:22:45 | um uh hold on it would be interesting to measure the temperature in there well you can email me i could email you my thermometer [Laughter] well you see you could see it falling down there now here's my next meeting it it's it's definitely it's just out of the tap so the temperature is yeah but the temperature of the vapors what do we need to know well okay i'm not going to measure the temperature of the vapor i've just got a thermometer which is about the size of a it's a it's huge it's about a meter long don't |
| 1:23:37 | put it in the water just put it in the in the cloud well it'll take a while for it we'll just put your finger in and see if it feels cold i think it should drop about four degrees well quite possibly the only thing is all right thermometer is wet so it's going to be measuring wet bulbs yeah the fog is going to condense on the thermometer and make it cold that way as well all right in the fog okay right in the fog the thing is so there's there's big droplets that are coming up and landing on the thermometer yeah |
| 1:24:21 | that'll they'll be they'll still be the original water temperature no no so i'm trying to measure the temperature of the fog um um don't dip it in the water i'm not putting it in the water yeah i'm just trying to um this is not terribly scientific no for the next one anyway there we go i hope you like my talk oh i hope you're good yeah that's terrific i'm going to be impressed even that i was able to find upon pod pon fogger within minutes of your mentioning about very impressed what was the temperature |
| 1:25:13 | what was the temperature temperature it's just everything's completely covered in water here like i'm just so you can't tell well look i can 19 degrees but that's not relevant to anything really because it's right i i did this with a very big one over the top over the water in our wave tank and it went down and spread over and spread out like a spilt liquid over the over the water surface uh but it didn't fall in you're trying to say that you're not impressed with my experiment |
| 1:25:46 | no it's a very good experiment but so anyway it's um why don't why don't we scale them up and float them in the ocean and have them spinning generating energy for the thing as well because we can't afford anything to be a joke i think people will be impressed with the flashing colored lights yeah they look great see them from space well this is meetings turned silly which is what i think all good so should we pack it in there yeah it's it's uh we've had our 90 minutes so time for for a rest thank you |
| 1:26:25 | everyone i'll do the usual i'll send out the link and uh see you in a couple of weeks uh now that's that's going to be where is it that's uh right in the middle of the cop yeah it's right in the middle of cop yeah i don't think i'll be able to um turn up in a couple of weeks so um okay we look forward to hearing your news the two weeks after that well i would say but if we manage to it'll be from glasgow okay well i mean uh if you're in glasgow and you've met sort of um you know the |
| 1:26:58 | finance minister of saudi arabia or something who wants to help then he's welcome to join these meetings well if you if you can give us an introduction clive that'd be great i'll do my best absolutely before my intelligence of grandeur get out of control yeah just tell me what i need to do if you want to end on a really silly note throw a boomerang at us yeah i get my boomerangs now impressive collection though oh sorry can you do it again i need to pin hang on hang on now um i need to pin pin you wherever the hell you are |
| 1:27:46 | where the hell are you now i can't find you oh there you are pin go and try again oh very good there we go this is my my indoor boomerangs it's a sort of quadcopter too what's that it's a quadcopter yeah exactly it worked quite well there we go anyway great stuff thank you very much thank you very good i'll pick you up soon yep bye everybody bye everybody |